Commons:Deletion requests/File:FrancoiseHardy-1967-Venise-ReportagePhoto.png
File:FrancoiseHardy-1967-Venise-ReportagePhoto.png[edit]
Strong doubt that this image qualifies for PD-Italy. Even in Italy, Getty Images agency licenses this image for a high license-fee and without clearance for commercial use. -- Túrelio (talk) 12:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Keep. This file respects the PD-Italy rules : this photo report is not a piece of art but a news report work, this pictures has been taken in Italy and before 1976.- Please refer to the PD Italy discussion :
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-Italy
- And the rules are : the place (Italy), the date or the creation and the non artistic purpose of the picture. The present file is matching all these consideration. Tisourcier (talk) 13:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- The agencies (such as Getty or Mondadori) are not selling copyrights but copy or reproductions; this is not the same purpose. If they want, they can sell any copy of a public domain picture. Their rules are not over the Italian, French or Amecian laws or regulation. Tisourcier (talk) 13:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- As an example, here is the case of another PD-Italy decision :
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Louis_de_Fun%C3%A8s_%E2%80%94_L%27Homme_orchestre_(1970).jpg Tisourcier (talk) 13:50, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- For your aknowledgment, until today, no agency has dared to request on Commons, the removal of any photo under PD-Italy. This confirms, for years, that the regulations are respected and that these agencies and the photographers concerned are fully aware of the terms and conditions. Tisourcier (talk) 16:52, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- I do not fear anything for Commons or the WMF, but for re-users. Getty Images agency is quite well known to pursue any unlicensed use of what they think is their property. Users outside the U.S. are not "protected" by the DMCA. --Túrelio (talk) 18:56, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- I understand but if that were the case, there would have been a lot of interventions by Getty since 2006 when PD-Italy was introduced into Commons whose criteria were set in 2018.
- To complete this fact, here are some examples of photos that Getty still sells and which have been on Commons under PD-Italy for a long time:
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Andy_Warhol_1975.jpg
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dalida_1960s.jpg
- https://www.gettyimages.it/detail/fotografie-di-cronaca/france-gall-singing-poupee-de-cire-poupee-de-son-fotografie-di-cronaca/104414031
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1965_Eurovision_Song_Contest_-_France_Gall.jpg Tisourcier (talk) 11:36, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- And a very interesting topic here to refer :
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_in_Category:Dalida Tisourcier ([[User talk:Tisourcier|
- I do not fear anything for Commons or the WMF, but for re-users. Getty Images agency is quite well known to pursue any unlicensed use of what they think is their property. Users outside the U.S. are not "protected" by the DMCA. --Túrelio (talk) 18:56, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- For your aknowledgment, until today, no agency has dared to request on Commons, the removal of any photo under PD-Italy. This confirms, for years, that the regulations are respected and that these agencies and the photographers concerned are fully aware of the terms and conditions. Tisourcier (talk) 16:52, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- The agencies (such as Getty or Mondadori) are not selling copyrights but copy or reproductions; this is not the same purpose. If they want, they can sell any copy of a public domain picture. Their rules are not over the Italian, French or Amecian laws or regulation. Tisourcier (talk) 13:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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An at last, demonstration that this picture is a part of a complete photo news report, some others files during the same session :
Tisourcier (talk) 11:49, 18 October 2023 (UTC) talk]]) 11:45, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Kept: per Tisourcier. These photos are PD-Italy because the portraits are apparently have been taken "live", without modifying the environment (lights, decorations, etc.), and because, like File:Andy_Warhol_1975.jpg, there are not enough elements in the photo to characterize it as being representative of the creativity of the photographer. Ruthven (msg) 19:03, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
